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	<title>Comments on: Beta&#8217;s Lawsuit Says its Suspension is Illegal</title>
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		<title>By: Darin Scanlan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darin Scanlan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 15:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: UCF student</title>
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		<dc:creator>UCF student</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 18:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one wants to mention the fact that those boys went out of the state as a UCF organization and pretty much completely embarrassed themselves, their organization, and UCF with their behavior.  Drunk misconduct in the streets, over $1000 of damage to a hotel room (including vomit and feces on the floor!), and an alleged rape on top of that.  I say good riddance.  I don&#039;t need a fraternity that promotes that type of behavior from their members in my Greek community.  I&#039;m embarrassed for them, their parents should be embarrassed for them, and even WITHOUT the rape allegations, they should have been suspended on the sole fact that they acted completely inappropriate as a UCF organization in another state on this little road trip of theirs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one wants to mention the fact that those boys went out of the state as a UCF organization and pretty much completely embarrassed themselves, their organization, and UCF with their behavior.  Drunk misconduct in the streets, over $1000 of damage to a hotel room (including vomit and feces on the floor!), and an alleged rape on top of that.  I say good riddance.  I don&#8217;t need a fraternity that promotes that type of behavior from their members in my Greek community.  I&#8217;m embarrassed for them, their parents should be embarrassed for them, and even WITHOUT the rape allegations, they should have been suspended on the sole fact that they acted completely inappropriate as a UCF organization in another state on this little road trip of theirs.</p>
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		<title>By: UCF</title>
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		<dc:creator>UCF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 20:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why should other organizations be allowed back on campus when they weren&#039;t willing to fight for what is right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why should other organizations be allowed back on campus when they weren&#8217;t willing to fight for what is right.</p>
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		<title>By: UCF Student (a different one)</title>
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		<dc:creator>UCF Student (a different one)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 14:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll drop some education, this costs UCF little additional money seeing as it hires a full time group of lawyers known as General Coucil.

It is just unfortunate Beta doesn&#039;t have that luxury.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll drop some education, this costs UCF little additional money seeing as it hires a full time group of lawyers known as General Coucil.</p>
<p>It is just unfortunate Beta doesn&#8217;t have that luxury.</p>
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		<title>By: In The Know</title>
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		<dc:creator>In The Know</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 01:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@cthomas

I bet if you were a Beta you would think it mattered.  Remember they found them &quot;in violation&quot; of sexual misconduct, a very serious charge imbued with resounding public scorn.   This was heavily covered in the national news.  They were hounded by the press for days as satellite trucks camped outside their fraternity house.  Many of the early articles described them as gang rapists.  Do you really think it doesn&#039;t matter?

UCF did nothing to dispel this horrible misconception, even after they knew that only the guest was involved with the Ohio woman.  Remember, the Ohio police never even filed charges against the guest alumnus.   Also remember that no student members of the fraternity had anything to do with this woman. 

By the way, it always matters when your rights are violated and when you are defamed.   It is always worth fighting to uphold your reputation.  Tyranny in any form, even when condoned and carried out by a major state university is worth fighting.  This travesty is worth exposing not only to clear Beta but in hopes that it will never be repeated.

Maybe if you were the one being called a rapist in the national news and by UCF this might be easier to understand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@cthomas</p>
<p>I bet if you were a Beta you would think it mattered.  Remember they found them &#8220;in violation&#8221; of sexual misconduct, a very serious charge imbued with resounding public scorn.   This was heavily covered in the national news.  They were hounded by the press for days as satellite trucks camped outside their fraternity house.  Many of the early articles described them as gang rapists.  Do you really think it doesn&#8217;t matter?</p>
<p>UCF did nothing to dispel this horrible misconception, even after they knew that only the guest was involved with the Ohio woman.  Remember, the Ohio police never even filed charges against the guest alumnus.   Also remember that no student members of the fraternity had anything to do with this woman. </p>
<p>By the way, it always matters when your rights are violated and when you are defamed.   It is always worth fighting to uphold your reputation.  Tyranny in any form, even when condoned and carried out by a major state university is worth fighting.  This travesty is worth exposing not only to clear Beta but in hopes that it will never be repeated.</p>
<p>Maybe if you were the one being called a rapist in the national news and by UCF this might be easier to understand.</p>
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		<title>By: sig ep</title>
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		<dc:creator>sig ep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 17:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if beta is let off the hook and all this information on ucf not having the right to do such things with these organizations sig ep sae and pike should all be allowed back to ucf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if beta is let off the hook and all this information on ucf not having the right to do such things with these organizations sig ep sae and pike should all be allowed back to ucf</p>
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		<title>By: cthomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>cthomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 16:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bias in this article is pretty obvious...

&quot;suspended the fraternity known for producing leaders across campus&quot;

you could say that about pretty much ANY tenured student organization. Also, the grammar needs a bit of work.

As for the Betas, they should have been well aware of how much OSC&#039;s status as the campus Kangaroo Court, so it really doesn&#039;t matter if they were proven innocent or not, their alumnus/guest still engaged in morally and legally questionable acts.

Good luck getting Golden Rule thrown out, I&#039;m fairly certain that their policies are a requirement of any government-funded educational facility, and you can find similar if not identical rules at every other major public school in the state. We just have a clever name for ours :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bias in this article is pretty obvious&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;suspended the fraternity known for producing leaders across campus&#8221;</p>
<p>you could say that about pretty much ANY tenured student organization. Also, the grammar needs a bit of work.</p>
<p>As for the Betas, they should have been well aware of how much OSC&#8217;s status as the campus Kangaroo Court, so it really doesn&#8217;t matter if they were proven innocent or not, their alumnus/guest still engaged in morally and legally questionable acts.</p>
<p>Good luck getting Golden Rule thrown out, I&#8217;m fairly certain that their policies are a requirement of any government-funded educational facility, and you can find similar if not identical rules at every other major public school in the state. We just have a clever name for ours <img src='http://knightnews.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: KnightNews.com - UCF Knight News: From Serious to Hilarious &#187; Blog Archive &#187; READ: UCF Beta Theta Pi Police Report</title>
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		<dc:creator>KnightNews.com - UCF Knight News: From Serious to Hilarious &#187; Blog Archive &#187; READ: UCF Beta Theta Pi Police Report</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Anon for good cause</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon for good cause</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 03:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@John

It&#039;s not a matter of whether our opinions will make any sort of a difference, it&#039;s a matter that the school&#039;s punishment policies are wrong, bias against those being charged, and do not offer any resemblance to our rights as Americans.  When punished, we&#039;re treated like elementary students, not adults.  We pay our thousands each year, so why should we deal with any of that when brought forth to fight for our rights?

As students under the Golden Rule:

• We are, in practice, guilty until proven innocent;
• Hearsay, rumor and speculation may and will be used as evidence against us;
• We have no right to legal representation;
• Prosecutor, judge, and jury are essentially all the same people in a hearing;
• There is no separation of powers between those who create, enforce, and interpret the rules of conduct;
• Off-campus incidents that have no bearing on the functions or processes of the university are punishable;
• We have no right to know what evidence the office has against us, who the office will bring in as adverse witnesses to testify against us, or who submitted the charges against us until as little as five days before a formal hearing occurs;
• We are subject to punishment for our innocent associations;
• Student organizations are subject to collective punishment for the actions of an isolated few;
• The burden of proof is preponderance of evidence, or &quot;more likely than not&quot;;
• We are afforded no right to a public hearing;
• We may be punished for crimes that the state or federal court system finds us innocent of;
• We are not provided with information about the precedents that the office claims to operate by when handling cases;
• We are pressured to incriminate ourselves before we have a formal hearing;
• We are bribed to incriminate other students in order to receive a lesser penalty;
• We are subject to punishments that do not nearly fit the crime.

Is that a fair assessment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@John</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not a matter of whether our opinions will make any sort of a difference, it&#8217;s a matter that the school&#8217;s punishment policies are wrong, bias against those being charged, and do not offer any resemblance to our rights as Americans.  When punished, we&#8217;re treated like elementary students, not adults.  We pay our thousands each year, so why should we deal with any of that when brought forth to fight for our rights?</p>
<p>As students under the Golden Rule:</p>
<p>• We are, in practice, guilty until proven innocent;<br />
• Hearsay, rumor and speculation may and will be used as evidence against us;<br />
• We have no right to legal representation;<br />
• Prosecutor, judge, and jury are essentially all the same people in a hearing;<br />
• There is no separation of powers between those who create, enforce, and interpret the rules of conduct;<br />
• Off-campus incidents that have no bearing on the functions or processes of the university are punishable;<br />
• We have no right to know what evidence the office has against us, who the office will bring in as adverse witnesses to testify against us, or who submitted the charges against us until as little as five days before a formal hearing occurs;<br />
• We are subject to punishment for our innocent associations;<br />
• Student organizations are subject to collective punishment for the actions of an isolated few;<br />
• The burden of proof is preponderance of evidence, or &#8220;more likely than not&#8221;;<br />
• We are afforded no right to a public hearing;<br />
• We may be punished for crimes that the state or federal court system finds us innocent of;<br />
• We are not provided with information about the precedents that the office claims to operate by when handling cases;<br />
• We are pressured to incriminate ourselves before we have a formal hearing;<br />
• We are bribed to incriminate other students in order to receive a lesser penalty;<br />
• We are subject to punishments that do not nearly fit the crime.</p>
<p>Is that a fair assessment?</p>
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		<title>By: Fight On, Beta!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fight On, Beta!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 22:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fifth District Court of Appeals this morning totally rejected UCF&#039;s initial attempt at arguments against Beta&#039;s June 16th Motion to lift the suspension...  Court noted UCF&#039;s failure to file a &#039;real&#039; response as directed by the judge.  Court ordered UCF to file a &quot;meaningful substantive&quot; response (eg not the nonsense UCF filed before) no later than 5pm on Monday.  UCF none too happy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fifth District Court of Appeals this morning totally rejected UCF&#8217;s initial attempt at arguments against Beta&#8217;s June 16th Motion to lift the suspension&#8230;  Court noted UCF&#8217;s failure to file a &#8216;real&#8217; response as directed by the judge.  Court ordered UCF to file a &#8220;meaningful substantive&#8221; response (eg not the nonsense UCF filed before) no later than 5pm on Monday.  UCF none too happy.</p>
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