Beta’s Lawsuit Says its Suspension is Illegal
News, UCF Greek Life — By Andrew Stein on August 11, 2009 at 10:14 pmWhen a Miami Ohio university student told Oxford police she was dropping her criminal rape charges against Beta Theta Pi members, the fraternity thought UCF would drop its corresponding sexual misconduct case against Beta.
They were wrong.
And it soon became clear the public relations and legal nightmare over the UCF fraternity’s traditional fall 2008 initiation trip would plague both UCF and Beta for quite some time.
Now, Beta Theta Pi is in a fight for its life – and whether the fraternity lives or dies could change how every UCF organization and individual is disciplined on campus forever.
In spring, UCF’s Office of Student Conduct found Beta Theta Pi in violation of sexual and other misconduct and suspended the fraternity, known for producing leaders across campus, for two years.
After the university suspended the chapter, the fraternity took the unusual step in June of filing a lawsuit against UCF, claiming it was treated unfairly and there was no evidence to support the allegations of sexual misconduct against the fraternity.
But the suit goes beyond just that – it claims UCF has no jurisdiction to enforce its governing Golden Rule because the Florida Board of Governors, which oversees the state university system, failed to enact the necessary legislation granting UCF that authority.
In other words, the suit calls into question the legality of the university’s entire Office of Student Conduct – responsible for suspending and expelling students – and therefore, all of its previous rulings.
This specific legal challenge raises serious questions:
Would other fraternities recently ousted by OSC, like Sigma Alpha Epsilon, Sigma Phi Epsilon and Pi Kappa Phi, be allowed back on campus if a judge sides with Beta?
Could it open the door for Sigma Phi Epsilon and Sigma Alpha Epsilon to sue to reclaim their former houses UCF recently took ownership of and leased out to new groups?
And would the Office of Student Conduct’s verdicts stand for students expelled for cheating, theft, DUI or violence?
How the lawsuit plays out could influence the answers to those questions through the landmark precedent the outcome could set for all UCF conduct cases.
For its part, UCF stands by the way it handled Beta’s suspension.
“UCF followed its procedures in conducting a disciplinary review of Beta Theta Pi,” UCF Spokesman Grant Heston said in a statement to KnightNews.com.
“While there is a disagreement between UCF and the fraternity over the nature of organizational responsibility, the university adheres to the requirement that an organization be responsible for the actions of its members and guests at organization-sponsored events,” Heston’s statement said.
RAISING THE STAKES
The suit raises the stakes in a long battle between UCF administrators and student groups over the less restrictive “more likely than not” burden of proof it uses when deciding the fate of students and organizations, and how it routinely holds an entire student organization responsible for the actions of a collection of its members or guests.
The lawsuit could prove very costly for both the fraternity and university during a budget crisis that already forced UCF to shed academic programs and jobs.
Beta’s willingness to fight UCF in court, and the nearly 2,000 member facebook group supporting the fraternity’s fight, sends a clear message that it could cost UCF precious money whenever it wants to shut an entire student organization down.
Beta is enjoying plenty of support. The fraternity set up a donation link on its Web site, UCFBeta.com, and has already collected tens of thousands of dollars to finance its legal fight against UCF.
The fraternity is also sending a message that there could be severe financial consequences for university staff making allegations against them.
Beta confirmed it plans to sue six UCF employees involved in its suspension for an undisclosed amount of money in a statement released to KnightNews.com:
“In addition to appealing the University’s decision and sanctions, the Fraternity also is preparing to file civil lawsuits against the University and six individuals employed by the school, demanding compensation for damages. The Fraternity says that these legal actions are similar to those currently pending on behalf of the Duke lacrosse team players.
“Although Duke entered into settlements with the players who were indicted and then were found to be innocent, the other players on the team whose season was cancelled after the false allegations have also sued that school for millions of dollars in damages.”
STUDENT CONDUCT SPEAKS OUT
In an unprecedented move, one student member of the conduct panel that found Beta in violation of sexual misconduct broke the usually tight-lipped office’s silence by publishing a letter in a local publication earlier this year.
Panel member Mark Singer wrote that he found Beta in violation of sexual misconduct because it was the panel’s opinion that one of Beta’s alumni along for the trip committed sexual misconduct against the unnamed female Ohio student.
“We believe he had sexual relations with a female who was unable to consent due to the amount of alcohol she consumed,” Singer wrote. “That alumnus was on their list to attend their initiation in Ohio that November.”
Even though that alumnus was not a current student and not an active member of Beta, Singer wrote, “This alumnus was a guest of the fraternity’s and therefore the fraternity is responsible for his actions.”
Singer went on to say that because that alumnus wasn’t a UCF student, he couldn’t be brought to student conduct. He then placed the blame on the fraternity as a whole.
“It is our belief that members of the fraternity knew this incident was going on, were in the rooms condoning or encouraging violations of university policy, and had the responsibility to stop those actions; however, they did not,” Singer wrote.
BETA QUESTIONS WOMAN’S CREDIBILITY, OSC’S ACTIONS
But Beta’s statement raises serious questions about the female accuser’s credibility.
“In her statement, the Ohio woman originally claimed that approximately 15 students in the Fraternity had sex with her while she was intoxicated … the woman subsequently changed her story and admitted that she remembered having sex with only one person a man (also allegedly intoxicated) who was not a UCF student,” Beta wrote in its statement to KnightNews.com.
Beta’s statement to KnightNews.com went on to say that because no individual fraternity members were found to have committed any Golden Rule violations, it doesn’t make sense that the entire fraternity should take the blame.
“The Fraternity argues that this policy leads to illogical and unintended results that create an extremely bad precedent for UCF and all campus organizations—for example if this incident had occurred at the woman’s sorority house, the Fraternity argues that UCF’s reasoning would require that the entire sorority be held responsible and suspended as well,” the statement read.
“If someone were to break into an organization’s office and commit a theft, that group would be held responsible and sanctioned because the misconduct occurred on their premises,” the statement continued.
BETA’S STRATEGY TO SURVIVE
Beta is enjoying unusually strong support from its national office which, according to Beta, refused UCF’s recommendation that it join with the university in suspending the fraternity’s operations.
“Therefore, the chapter will continue to operate during its suspension, although it will not be affiliated with the school during that time,” according to Beta’s statement.
In addition to the suit which seeks to have UCF’s suspension of Beta overturned, the fraternity said it filed an motion to stay in court, which if granted, would force UCF to continue allowing Beta to recruit and operate normally while the main appeal plays out in the Fifth District Court of Appeals.
According to Beta’s statement, UCF and the fraternity were ordered to initiate a mediation by Aug. 7 in order to try and settle their differences out of court. The outcome of the mediation was not yet available. However, it was not expected it would resolve the dispute.
KnightNews.com will follow this developing story closely and bring updates throughout the case, including whether Beta will be allowed on campus for fall fraternity recruitment, which is just a few weeks away.
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You can get several incredibly great points made here. Typically, I am not very keen on websites. however, occasionally all of us should take notice. Stimulating, I’m thankful to you.
If you can get a twelve year-old kid to go listen to Thelonius Monk, what more do you want? Do you want a big pile of cash, too? That’s a home run for me.
No one wants to mention the fact that those boys went out of the state as a UCF organization and pretty much completely embarrassed themselves, their organization, and UCF with their behavior. Drunk misconduct in the streets, over $1000 of damage to a hotel room (including vomit and feces on the floor!), and an alleged rape on top of that. I say good riddance. I don’t need a fraternity that promotes that type of behavior from their members in my Greek community. I’m embarrassed for them, their parents should be embarrassed for them, and even WITHOUT the rape allegations, they should have been suspended on the sole fact that they acted completely inappropriate as a UCF organization in another state on this little road trip of theirs.
Why should other organizations be allowed back on campus when they weren’t willing to fight for what is right.
I’ll drop some education, this costs UCF little additional money seeing as it hires a full time group of lawyers known as General Coucil.
It is just unfortunate Beta doesn’t have that luxury.
@cthomas
I bet if you were a Beta you would think it mattered. Remember they found them “in violation” of sexual misconduct, a very serious charge imbued with resounding public scorn. This was heavily covered in the national news. They were hounded by the press for days as satellite trucks camped outside their fraternity house. Many of the early articles described them as gang rapists. Do you really think it doesn’t matter?
UCF did nothing to dispel this horrible misconception, even after they knew that only the guest was involved with the Ohio woman. Remember, the Ohio police never even filed charges against the guest alumnus. Also remember that no student members of the fraternity had anything to do with this woman.
By the way, it always matters when your rights are violated and when you are defamed. It is always worth fighting to uphold your reputation. Tyranny in any form, even when condoned and carried out by a major state university is worth fighting. This travesty is worth exposing not only to clear Beta but in hopes that it will never be repeated.
Maybe if you were the one being called a rapist in the national news and by UCF this might be easier to understand.
if beta is let off the hook and all this information on ucf not having the right to do such things with these organizations sig ep sae and pike should all be allowed back to ucf
The bias in this article is pretty obvious…
“suspended the fraternity known for producing leaders across campus”
you could say that about pretty much ANY tenured student organization. Also, the grammar needs a bit of work.
As for the Betas, they should have been well aware of how much OSC’s status as the campus Kangaroo Court, so it really doesn’t matter if they were proven innocent or not, their alumnus/guest still engaged in morally and legally questionable acts.
Good luck getting Golden Rule thrown out, I’m fairly certain that their policies are a requirement of any government-funded educational facility, and you can find similar if not identical rules at every other major public school in the state. We just have a clever name for ours
@John
It’s not a matter of whether our opinions will make any sort of a difference, it’s a matter that the school’s punishment policies are wrong, bias against those being charged, and do not offer any resemblance to our rights as Americans. When punished, we’re treated like elementary students, not adults. We pay our thousands each year, so why should we deal with any of that when brought forth to fight for our rights?
As students under the Golden Rule:
• We are, in practice, guilty until proven innocent;
• Hearsay, rumor and speculation may and will be used as evidence against us;
• We have no right to legal representation;
• Prosecutor, judge, and jury are essentially all the same people in a hearing;
• There is no separation of powers between those who create, enforce, and interpret the rules of conduct;
• Off-campus incidents that have no bearing on the functions or processes of the university are punishable;
• We have no right to know what evidence the office has against us, who the office will bring in as adverse witnesses to testify against us, or who submitted the charges against us until as little as five days before a formal hearing occurs;
• We are subject to punishment for our innocent associations;
• Student organizations are subject to collective punishment for the actions of an isolated few;
• The burden of proof is preponderance of evidence, or “more likely than not”;
• We are afforded no right to a public hearing;
• We may be punished for crimes that the state or federal court system finds us innocent of;
• We are not provided with information about the precedents that the office claims to operate by when handling cases;
• We are pressured to incriminate ourselves before we have a formal hearing;
• We are bribed to incriminate other students in order to receive a lesser penalty;
• We are subject to punishments that do not nearly fit the crime.
Is that a fair assessment?
Fifth District Court of Appeals this morning totally rejected UCF’s initial attempt at arguments against Beta’s June 16th Motion to lift the suspension… Court noted UCF’s failure to file a ‘real’ response as directed by the judge. Court ordered UCF to file a “meaningful substantive” response (eg not the nonsense UCF filed before) no later than 5pm on Monday. UCF none too happy.
Everyone can go on here and state their case, but lets face it everyone has their minds made up and nothing anyone says will change the readers opinion. No one is providing any new information to the story anymore. Going on here and supporting Beta or supporting OSC is making no difference in the minds of the viewers so let it be. Beta has its day in court and let it play out. Whatever goes on here makes no difference in the courtroom so lets stop the bickering.
The court will decide who is right and who is wrong. In the long-run, Beta will get what they deserve through the 5th District Court of Forida. Whether that is continuing their suspension, shortening their suspension through mediation, or being let off the hook.
I am a conduct supporter in this situation and I believe Beta was in the wrong in the situation. In my opinion, the way the Golden Rule is displayed,it seems like they broke the rules. But I am not the judge in the courtroom and neither are any of you reading this. Both sides have their arguments and we will let the trained judges and mediatiors handle the case.
But if this case is going through mediation between UCF and Beta, I highly doubt UCF is going to let them off free in mediation. In mediation they are going to have to try to find a middle ground with a mediator present and I don’t see UCF dropping the charges. They might lighten the suspension to a year but then Beta will still have that label as in violation of sexual misconduct which they dont want. If mediation doesn’t work, they will go to an oral argument and have the judges decide. UCF’s General Counsel is the best in Florida and extremely good at what they do. To my knowledge they have won all of their student conduct cases brought to this level of appeal (You can view the video of some of the cases on the 5th District Court of Florida’s website).
It’s out of Beta’s and OSC hands now, and its definitaly out of mine and all these reader’s hands. It’s in the hands of the lawyers and the court system. Don’t mean to sound cliché but justice will prevail. The right decision will be made. Even if its not the decision I side with, I will support the decision and believe the right one was made. I hope everyone with the opposing view as me will take this philosophy if their cause loses and lay the fight to rest after Beta’s day in court….no matter what the outcome.
Go Knights!
Instead of thinking, “What if she was your daughter?”, how about we ask ourselves “What if I was a Beta?”. Think about the men of this organization that are now labeled as rapists and issues they now have to deal with, as I’m sure the men of Duke Lacrosse team faced as well. They have been wrongfully accused and looked down upon as rapists and must now finish their college careers with that title over their heads.
What if that was you? I only want people to think about that for a minute, and step into a Beta’s shoes.
I think the fact that the fraternity’s national headquarters is backing them says a lot. Usually if a chapter screws up their nationals wants nothing to do with that chapter and they will suspend or expel them themselves because they are a threat to the overall organization. The Beta fraternity is very well known and widely popular and positive organization. I feel like if that chapter made a legitimate mistake and was charged with something they would face up to it like men and accept it. Clearly UCF is in the wrong somewhere which is unfortunate because I love UCF.
What’s funny is that the people who say they know like this Jim fellow or that Josh fellow actually don’t know anything at all. Everyone is tired of the “what if this was your daughter?” bs. Because you know what? If it WAS your daughter, then you are a terrible parent and your daughter is a dumb girl. How can you make a bad choice (which happens very very very often around college campuses every year) and then lie about it to the police (several times over) and then attempt to bring down others with you? And how can an organization like Beta show their support or a school that they have loved so much and have given so much back to through leadership positions, philanthropies, and community service (SGA Senate, IFC, UCF Best Dance Crew, Beta BBQ, Unite Us) when in a matter of weeks it tries to completely destroy them. UCF has turned its back on the fraternity in an attempt to save face and not because of justice. UCF broke its own conduct rules by punishing an organization in which all 15 members accused were found not-guilty of the said crime. The fraternity had already served out their probation sentence for destruction of property and was therefore unjustly punished. You don’t have to support Beta and not support your alma mater. Support both; Fall behind Beta and show your support. Fall behind your school as well by writing to your administrators and your president and to the Office of Student Conduct and tell them that you want to change the fallacies of our current justice system. I’m a Knight AND I support Beta.
“suspended the fraternity known for producing leaders across campus for two years.”
I can’t even read past this. I lol’d.
UF Student is right. UF suspended its Pi Kappa Alpha chapter until 2011, but the fraternity appealed, and the District Court of Appeals ordered UF to reinstate the fraternity because, like the Beta case, UF broke its own conduct rules in the case, and there wasnt sufficient evidence.
At least at UF the discipline falls under a Greek Judicial Board where theres at least a chance that a Greek group can get a fair hearing. Maybe that’s what you folks need to do at UCF- take Greek discipline away from your student conduct department and put it elsewhere as they dont seem capable of managing it properly.
Thanks for posting our student conduct.
Maybe you should continue your research a little further and find the multiple cases at UF where fraternities (charged unfairly) have found flaws in the conduct code, challenged, and WON.
I think John is missing the point.
The Office of Student Conduct found Beta “in violation” for sexual misconduct even after they realized that no current student member was involved in any way. The only person who had sex with the Ohio woman was an invited alum of the fraternity. So the question is: How do you find the organization responsible if none of its members were found to be responsible? Seems like a fair question to me.
Since no current student members of the fraternity were involved the OSC was in an awkward position as they had already released statements and taken action based on their presumption that current members were involved. Rather than admit they were wrong and drop the charges they went to plan B and found the fraternity “in violation” because they had invited the alum who was involved with the girl. The literally handed copies of the “organizational responsibility” clause from the Golden Rule to the panel members during the hearing. The panel obviously got the message loud and clear.
They OSC had cleared all of the individual they had charged but wanted to make sure the charge stuck when it came to the fraternity. The fraternity became an easy scapegoat. The OSC was able to look politically correct and tough on date rape and more importantly they didn’t have to admit they were wrong. “Who cares about a bunch of frat boys anyway”, I imagine they thought.
Sexual misconduct is a very serious accusation to lodge against 100 members of a fraternity (some of whom were not even on the trip) just because of the actions of someone they invited to their initiation. Keep in mind, none of the guys currently in the fraternity committed anything remotely resembling sexual misconduct and the University knows this.
Finally, I do not see an “organizational responsibility” clause in the UF student honor code indicating that a student organization can be held responsible for the actions of an invited guest. Am I missing something? Even if there is one, it doesn’t mean its a good rule that other universities should follow.
John, have you heard that saying about, “If everyone else jumped off a bridge…
Very very funny that Heston said “UCF followed its procedures”… Only if by “its procedures” he means “UCF lets OSC do whatever the hell it wants.” OSC broke the Golden Rule all over the place and all the bosses looked the other way. Like how the Golden Rule says OSC cant charge a group with an individual offense like sexual nisconduct, unless OSC first charges an individual student, and that student’s hearing panel decides it should also be a group charge. That never happened here. But hey, who needs to follow the Golden Rule anyway…
When UCF got the police report, OSC immediately suspended Beta and UCF slandered them to the media. But once it came out that the girl had lied to the police bigtime and Beta had been telling the truth all along, Beta was already falsely branded as gang rapists. OSC needed to ‘get’ Beta at any cost to save face and protect itself from the student/parent protests. Hey who cares about fairness or truth or rules right.
SOMEBODY needs to have the guts to stand up to OSC and make them follow the rules. When 100 decent guys get falsely branded as rapists on the national news because of what OSC did here, I guess that’s enough to give anybody the guts to finally fight back against pillowfight and sharpiemarker and rape charges etc and say we’ve had enough of OSC’s crap on our campus. Time for overhaul in OSC?
I think the big idea really is that no individuals were found guilty of a charge, so how could the group be found guilty? And from the tone of the article, its quite apparent that the focus was on being responsible for a guest, in this case an alumnus; however, wouldn’t that guest have to be found guilty in order to say the organization hosting he/she was guilty? While UCF and the Office of Student Conduct wouldn’t have the jurisdiction for such investigations, the police did and the case was dropped, so its a little out of scope to rule that the organization sanctioned actions when the actions aren’t verifiable/proven. From the criminal justice point of view, once an accusation of rape has been turned over to the investigators, only the state attorney can call off the case based on various factors, so doesn’t such action illustrate the potential of being more to the story than that found in the press and various blog systems? It’s very interesting, more so entertaining, to hear what all the “experts” have to say on the University’s stance however.
In regards to UF’s rules & regs, you’re right – pretty standard verbiage. But take a closer look and you’ll see it refers to the “student.” No individual UCF student was ever found guilty of any violations. This University painted all of our sons as rapists and suspended them as a whole. That’s why I proudly support them!
sounds like the outcome of this case will be as important to UCF students as Roe v. Wade was to the abortion movement.
it can change EVERYTHING and hopefully force UCF to be fair before ruining an organization and student’s lives
As a concerned parent, it bothers me that UCF chooses when to put these rules out on the table. There was a UCF football player a few years ago who was charged with a felony and was not only allowed to play the remainder of the season, but also live in the dorms. The fact is regarding this Beta matter, the charges were dropped, end of story. Let these young men continue with their organization at UCF and keep contributing to the excellent student experience with leadership, teamwork, and philanthropy.
UCF’s Policies and Procedures are the same as most college campuses across the country. Before you guys go on here bashing your alma mater, do a little research. I did.
Straight from UF’s regualtions:
(6C1-4.041 Student Honor Code and Student Conduct Code: Scope and Violations.
(1) A student or student organization shall not commit a violation of the Student Honor Code or Student Conduct Code.
(2) Scope. Disciplinary action may be imposed for violations of the Student Honor Code or Student Conduct Code occurring at any of the following locations or activities:
(a) University campus;
(b) Housing of any University of Florida organization or group, including but not limited to fraternity and sorority property;
(c) Activities officially approved by the University of Florida or which are sponsored or conducted by University groups and organizations (merely notifying the University community of an activity or opportunity does not make it a University or University group or organization approved, sponsored or conducted activity); and
(d) Other off-campus conduct as set forth in this subsection (d):
1. When a student violates a municipal or county ordinance or violates state or federal law or a foreign country’s law by an offense committed off the university campus and which is not associated with a University activity or program, the conduct authority of the University will not be used merely to duplicate the penalty imposed for such an act under applicable ordinances and laws.
2. The University may take conduct action against a student for off-campus conduct if it is required by law to do so, if the conduct arises from University activities, or if the conduct poses a significant threat to the safety or security of the University community, or if the conduct poses a significant threat of undermining the University’s educational process.
About sexual misconduct as well:
(b) Sexual Assault and Sexual Misconduct.
1. Sexual assault. Any sexual act or attempt to engage in any sexual act with another person without the consent of the other person or in circumstances in which the person is unable, due to age, disability, or alcohol/chemical or other impairment, to give consent.
2. Sexual misconduct. Any intentional intimate touching of another without the consent of the other person or in circumstances in which the person is unable, due to age, disability, or alcohol/chemical or other impairment, to give consent.
3. It is the responsibility of the person initiating sexual activity to make sure the other person is capable of consenting to that activity. Consent is given by an affirmative verbal response or acts that are unmistakable in their meaning. Consent to one form of sexual activity does not mean consent is given to another type of activity.
Looks pretty similar to me. Violation punishable on and off campus. Consent cannot be given with alcohol/chemical impairement. Fraternity responsible if violation occurs at house or sponsored event (doesn’t say it has to be a member of organization who commits violation at event.) UCF and UF have very similar rules. I challenge you all to look at more university websites across the nation and research their rules and regulations. Most will be very similar to what UCF has in place. The grass isn’t always greener on the other side.
Other universities don’t have the perfect conduct system. UCF doesn’t either, but its a work in progress. Before you criticize UCF, realize these rules are here for a reason. Most of these rules are mandated by the federal and state laws. Stop criticizing and realize whoever made these rules must of had a pretty good reason to put these rules in place.
Let’s face it: Beta’s money from the lawsuit would not be able to save UCF from the budget crisis and the cuts of majors. That was handled by UCF already; only a multi-millionaire would save UCF from that situation now. So, that idea wouldn’t really help, asdf.
Justice needs to be served. There have been plenty of organizations that have dealt with OSC in the past year alone, and I’m sure there are a few individuals who are upset at the power hungry higher ups who control OSC. I am a proud member of another fraternity on this campus, but I am definitely pulling for Beta. OSC needs to be correcting organizations that aren’t helping the betterment of the UCF Creed, not organizations that constantly have leaders and positive influences on the community as a whole.
We’re with you, Beta. Nobody should be punished for allegations that are outlandish and fabricated, and then dropped. Your nationals support you, and that’s a big deal.
Here’s to a fair trail so you guys can get back to helping out the UCF community.
Maybe this will be a chance for UCF execs to reorder themselves to become a more serious and just force so they can fairly serve their students.
Plain and simple…. dissolve the OSC and take that money to give back to the university and the community. It is probably the best thing the OSC could do for this University. Their system is corrupt and unjust and has been destroying student lives for years. Its about time someone stands up for what is right and gives them a run for their money.
I know Beta will come out on top, and the University might learn a thing or two in the long run.
Congrats on everything you have and will accomplish Beta, best of luck.
Very good article. Coming from someone who knows both sides of the story, knightnews was very unbiased and sought out the facts. One question I have to ask is, “What if this was your organization?” Just like one can say, “What if this was your daughter?” All Beta wants is justice. Is it fair to have UCF follow its own rules and break rules set up by the U.S. Constitution and practice double jeopardy and “Guilty until proven innocent?” Why would Beta, or anyone for that matter, support a decision like that? Beta has done a lot for this University; Vice President of SGA, VP positions on IFC, multiple senate positions, PLC, as well as getting 2nd in GPA while going through a huge court battle with the university and raising money for multiple non profit organizations. This one is for “Josh.” Greeks run this school. Wait till the university does a “day without a greek day,” and then maybe you’ll realize how much the school needs them. Students, Teachers, Maintenance workers, the list goes on. Your tired of hearing it because it doesn’t concern you, so then don’t comment on something you know nothing about. Save your time and everyone elses and throw yourself a rager. That is all.
Jim, how could you possibly have seen what happened unless you were a member of the fraternity and you were there on the trip, in that room?
“*they* were lucky to get the charges dropped…”
I’m calling you out. Stop instigating unless you actually know something. Best of luck to you, Beta.
From the way it read to me it seemed more like mommy and daddy wanted to cover up the promiscuity of their daughter. Congrats on the fight ahead and best of luck.
I’d like to think that my daughter I would be thinking about wouldn’t drink 14 shots then go to a bar begging strangers to buy her drinks, as was quoted in the police report. Everyone just wants someone to blame their problems n, and as for the doing good for the campus, I sincerely doubt anyone on this board has donated as much good back to UCF as the organization in question.
If the girl involved really was telling the truth…why would she have dropped the charges? Miami Ohio police were more than willing to take action and she couldn’t get her story straight because it WASN’T true. Girls can’t pull that card just to cover up their drunken mistakes, and now a chapter of leaders has to suffer just so UCF can make good face.
Instead of suing UCF, do something good for UCF to show you support the school instead of embarassing it like you used to do. Use the money from the lawsuit on helping to save our majors rather then trying to cost UCF money in fighting you in court and trying to make anarchy.
This is a very one-sided article. If you knew/and saw what happened like I did, they were lucky to get the charges dropped and should be in alot more trouble than being suspended. Think about what if that was your daughter.
Beta get over it, you are suspended for 2 years. Save the money donated throw a rager and come back in 2 years. Everyone but greeks are tired of hearing about you guys.