UPDATE 11/15/10- KnightNews.com’s Logan Herlihy attempted to talk to Professor Quinn before his capstone class today. Below is the video.


FOX: DOES VIDEO PROVE IT WASN’T CHEATING?

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UPDATE 11/12/10, 5:25 P.M.- KnightNews.com sent an email to Grant Heston, the Assistant Vice President of UCF, in an attempt to clear up any rumors circulating that Professor Quinn is currently under investigation after the release of a video, supposedly from students in his Capstone Management class, claiming that he uses premade tests from his text book’s publisher.

Heston stated, “Let’s keep the focus where it ought to be, not on the instructor who administered the test, but on the students who acquired the test beforehand and used it inappropriately.”

In addition, UCF released this statment to the media, via email:

About 200 students came forward to admit their involvement in the incident. The university believes about 15 additional students were involved but have not come forward.

The results from the re-exam show a normal grade distribution.

“The support I have received from the university, the community and from around the world has been overwhelming,” said Instructor Richard Quinn. “I’m looking forward to moving past this incident and focusing on the rest of the semester.”


ORIGINAL STORY: NOVEMBER 12, 2010 AT 11:48 AM

Days after Professor Richard Quinn gave his scolding on ethics and doing the right thing to his students, the video of his speech has launched him into the national and international spotlight.

The cheating scandal has appeared in the UK’s Daily Mail and the St. Pete times recently praised him as a “folk hero”.

Margaret Lawrence posted this on Knightnews.com’s Facebook page, ”Prof. Quinn, you are a role model for all academics faced with the erosion of standards and ethical behavior in our students. Congratulations: I know just how you feel.”

But in a recent YouTube video Knightnews.com found, Quinn’s students are saying it was his laziness that was the problem.

httpvh://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJG7aCQtI8E

The video points out that Professor Quinn, in his first class, hints that he created his own tests an seems to mislead his students.

“There’s an opportunity that I may very well write a question that even I couldn’t answer. I try not to do that, but it happens from time to time” said Quinn in the video.

The video then fast forwards to week 12, where the now famous video of him scolding his students and highlights that he didn’t write his tests.

The description of the video states “Study guide aka Test Bank has been available through Publisher for studying purposes. How were students supposed to know they were the same questions on the exam? Professor states that he writes them. Therefore student(s) are not at fault…”

KnightNews.com emailed Professor Quinn for comment Tuesday, but he has not responded. He did, however, grant an interview with Good Morning America. That network did not explore the issue of the test bank and how it was obtained in detail.

Knightnews.com emailed UCF spokesman Grant Heston yesterday, on Veterans Day, to see if the university is investigating Quinn’s alleged dishonest behavior. Heston was unable to find anything out at that time because the university was closed for the holiday, but did respond yesterday to say he’d look into the matter today.

33 COMMENTS

  1. Now that I watch this video again, after a couple of years, I realize that YES, this guy is partly pissed, partly embarrassed that “his” tests are nothing but the product of a haphazardly assembly of questions written by other people that he passes off as his “own work”, and the rest is pure theatrics and bluff: like in the movie “Grease” when the principal announced the videos of the asses they caught on camera were sent to the FBI for investigation. He is covering his ass by acting “hurt, tough and outraged”, but the egg is on both his and the publisher’s faces. Cheating is not only wrong, as unqualified people get degrees they did not earn, but also harmful and dangerous, because those people may not have the proper learning to make educated and wise decisions in their jobs, whether to approve a budget, design a mass market electric product, or have in their hands the lives of people in their trade. Bullshit is the worst of all worlds.

  2. “The “test bank” contained 700 questions, not the ANSWERS. So, basically, students studied 700 questions, found the answers themselves, and then LEARNED that material. The test then consisted of 50 questions from among the 700. That is not cheating. That’s LEARNING.”

    Actually, that’s incorrect and whatever you “learned” in school it wasn’t statistics. Unless of course, you believe there is no measurable difference between all the possible questions that could be asked on a set of subjects and the number 700.

    I mean, I get that you’re inept at this kind of analysis it’s nothing to be ashamed of, it’s common in fact. For example, a good portion of the medial board exams where I live are computerized multiple choice. According to you, there is absolutely no difference between someone who has to study all of general medicine and answer 200 questions picked from some unknown set of say 1000 and giving everyone access to the 1000 questions. According to you and your terrible education in math the probability that these two groups of people being able to function effectively as doctors would not be noticeably different.

    If the test bank was simply one tool among many and did not confer a significant advantage over people who did not have it. Then it wouldn’t create a bias.

    The case is simple either the test bank was designed and distributed as a tool for public (ie student) use or it was not. The later appears to be the case, hence it is cheating. The fact that the administration made it easy to cheat does not mean that cheating did not occur.

  3. The test bank does not include the answers.

    Of course I don’t believe that the students memorized 700 questions!

    Which is to say, they were accused of cheating by having made use of the test bank!

  4. The “test bank” contained 700 questions, not the ANSWERS. So, basically, students studied 700 questions, found the answers themselves, and then LEARNED that material. The test then consisted of 50 questions from among the 700. That is not cheating. That’s LEARNING.
    Quinn states clearly in his rant that HE does not write any of the exams, but rather pulls all the questions from an openly published “test bank”. And then he says that future exams will be written by lab administrators, not himself! This reaction sends up red flags for all the wrong reasons, and indicates to me that he is perhaps unqualified to be teaching this material, especially if he cannot be bothered to create his own original exams.
    Of especial concern is the statement in his first lecture wherein he states that it’s possible that he may write a test question that he can not answer. How can a teacher possibly do that? If the teacher can’t answer it, what right does he have to ask it of his students? And if they got it right, how would he know? It is disgusting for a teacher to take his exams directly from openly published test banks, and then to accuse students who use the selfsame test banks as study aids of academic dishonesty.

    Take the LSAT, GRE, MCAT, CPA, SAT, and ACT exams as examples. Each test administration freely releases prior exams, creating banks of sample questions for study. These are usually attained through courses like Becker or Kaplan, but are readily available in most libraries and bookstores. Many questions on subsequent exams come directly from this test bank. To guilt students into believing that studying from such books constitutes cheating is unethical and irresponsible.

    You can’t MEMORIZE 700 answers, especially in a course where many of the questions will be nearly identical, albeit with the variables changed. You can, however, use the “test bank” as a tool to help you LEARN the material. This is only fair, and is why, prior to any exam I have ever given while teaching, I have ALWAYS handed out a study guide containing questions either similar to those on the exam, or from which the exam’s questions will be taken. Otherwise, it is an unreasonable expectation to ask a student for whom a course is their first experience with the subject material to memorize EVERYTHING. They need to be guided to the points which the teacher feels are the most important, and if by preparing for those questions they can excel, THEN the teacher has done a good job.

    Unfortunately, many college professors adhere unreasonably to the bell curve distribution. Rather than attempting to TEACH the material to ALL of their students, their goal is to separate the wheat from the chaff, so to speak. I had one course where the teacher announced, on the first day of class, that out of 70+ students in the class, only 5 would get A’s, the majority would get C’s, and that the rest of the class would get B’s and D’s. She then set up the class so that everyone in it tried to screw everyone else, rather than helping their classmates learn the material. And during lectures, she refused to give any indication of which points were the most important, rather she would go through the book and say, you need to know this, and this, and this, and this…That’s not teaching. That’s weeding a lawn, to mix metaphors. And it always angers me, especially having spent quite a number of years teaching.

    To my mind, a good teacher should ENABLE every single one of his students to get an A, not expect a bell-shaped distribution as professor Quinn did. I want ALL of my students to get A’s. Quinn does not.
    His students LEARNED. They did not CHEAT.

    What we have here is not a culture of cheating, but a culture of LEARNING – doing everything possible to learn and prepare material for future use is the epitome of learning.

  5. What he and the staff did is completely justified. Studying from a test bank, a stolen test bank, is cheating. Anybody defending the students is obviously a cheater.

  6. I don’t understand why these 600 kids don’t start a class action lawsuit against Quinn and UCF. Quinn clearly plagiarized, the UCF statement on its own website is clear on this. They have it on tape. And then he intimidates them through coercion into some sort of obedient action that seemed psychologically manipulative. They have this on tape as well.

  7. Now apparently only the students who sent the questions to any classmates are being required to take an ethics seminar. Yet the students who asked for the questions, got them from a classmate, but then did not forward them were sent follow up emails and let off the hook. I am not sure what makes the group who asked for the questions less guilty then those who supplied them but apparently that is how Quinn runs his classroom circus.

  8. The students availed themselves of resources that the prof strongly implied he would not be using since he “writes” the tests himself. This shows initiative on the part of the students that is better classified as prudent extra studying than as cheating. The prof said he wrote his tests; the students then studied sample test questions that were relevant to their studies but were not expected to be the actual test questions, but then the prof lazily and in contradiction with what he had told the students the first week of class took the test from the test bank verbatim.

    Punishing students for doing extra studying above and beyond the official coursework just because the prof chose, unannounced, to use those supplementary materials as the actual test is absurd.

    Also: if he “knows” with such certainty who “cheated”, why make the “non-cheaters” take the exam again? They are basically being punished for their profs miscommunications, if not outright laziness.

    This is a subtle situation and perhaps some of the blame lies on both the students and the prof… but it is only the students who are getting punished for it. This is unfair, dishonorable, and ultimately fosters a climate of fear, distrust, and self-righteousness that harms not only the current students but also the school’s reputation, recent graduates of the school, and other schools who are listening to the one-sided rhetoric from the prof. Nothing good can come of this as long as the prof remains convinced that he is blameless in this situation – a point of view that is myopic at best.

  9. Wow. For all of you who think that this is all on the students who “cheated,” you are being ridiculous. Sure, they had a test bank, but they studied from it and learned. If they had something with them that had the answers at the time of the midterm that would be a different story. Honestly, if it was that easy for them to find the test bank then the professor should have tried a little harder when creating the exam. Obviously if 200 students had possession of it, the questions were not too hard to find. These students in no way cheated.

  10. @ facts

    I’m sorry you were tagged for cheating on something you very obviously didn’t cheat on.

    Saying you found the answer online to the exact question you were asked is NOT cheating.

    That is like saying that a brain surgeon, who doesn’t know how to remove a knife from a patient’s skull, is cheating because he has to consult a medical journal that discusses the procedure.

    The surgeon still needs to retain and regurgitate (physically) the process of that information to actually doing something.

    What’s next? Every time a person remembers the answer to a question on Jeopardy, they’ll be accused of cheating and removed from the game?

  11. @ Defending the Students? Really?

    If you truly are a student, then I have harsh news for you to hear…

    Cheating in the workplace will more than likely not get you fired…If anything, cheating in the workplace is the norm and will probably get you promoted.

    Working around the system, finding solutions that circumvent common logic and cutting corners are the way businesses are built.

    Why? Because doing things the RIGHT way is generally the EXPENSIVE way.

    Congratulations! Your high horse is very tall indeed…but unfortunately it runs out of energy when it leaves the gate and dies before it makes the first 1/8 of a mile. Was this a business management class or an ethics class? Apparently, it was neither as the teacher isn’t teaching business, he’s too busy covering his butt for not having made up the test himself and it certainly isn’t an Ethics class because he’s also lying about it.

    If they had found that a number of students had scanned a coke label and edited the lettering on it in Photoshop to give them answers, I could see this being an issue. The fact of the matter is, test bank or no test bank…the students still had to study the necessary material to actually answer the question. Test banks don’t have answers.

    Knowledge is not cheating. Knowing questions, by chance, before a test is not cheating.

    Being given the answers is cheating. Stealing the test and using that to construct your answers is cheating.

    By all accounts, if they want to do a “forensic investigation”, how about investigating whether or not a Teaching Assistant informed students that the questions from the test bank WERE the test.

    If you can’t find THAT, what ground is there to stand on and say, “These kids KNEW there was going to be questions from the test bank on this test and read them!”

    All the professor has to say is, “I took the questions from the test bank for this course and a number of the students used this test bank as a study guide, only to realize that, in my laziness (despite being paid butt-loads of money from the University) all the questions are the same.”

    Seems like the burden of proof that this was actually an incident of cheating, and not happenstance or luck on the part of the students who used the test bank to study, falls very heavily on the heads of the University.

    And this juror in the court of public opinion is not swayed yet.

  12. i went to a school where things like this cannot happen.. there is in place an honor code with but one single sanction.

    if you lie, cheat, or steal, you are out.

    i earn my degree and the knowledge that cheating is not tolerated is what helps keep my degree valuable.

    UCF needs such a code.

  13. as far as i’m concerned, it’s not really cheating if all the students did was memorize the test bank. essentially they learned what was going to be on the test. and several other professors use test banks as well, where you can find the questions online… and if you study all the questions and learn the material. whats the problem?

  14. A 600 person capstone course with multiple choice exams is the real WTF here. They should require 100 6-person group presentations, instead, and make UCF administration grade them!

  15. Professor Quinn reuses tests. He either generates them from a test bank in which can be obtained by ANYONE who has access to the internet. And if it isnt from a test bank its from a previous exam. Quinn PASSES BACK his exams to students and uses the same exams each semester, sometimes for multiple classes. It’s like giving someone a loaded gun. This makes UCF look so bad but no one is even looking at his teaching.

  16. You guys don’t understand…

    What really happened was the Chief Information Officer of Student Government hacked into the College of Business computers, distributed the test banks to all the students in Capstone so they would cheat on the exam, then all 600 would be kicked out, and then Mike Kilbride could take over the College of Business and make it the new Beta House. Then when the plan failed they blamed it all on the CIO (a ginger, so not a real person anyway), and he quit SGA.

  17. I don’t know what the hell D-boy is getting at. I happen to have a great internship and am in the queue to obtain a great job after I graduate, I happen to be a Finance/Economics double major and have learned quite a bit from my time here @ UCF.

    A degree mill? You’re not just going to get anywhere w/ JUST a degree, you need to have networking skills and some sort of marketability which is why performing well in school is only part of the equation.

    I love my college and my school

  18. And BTW I frogot to include that I just graduated with a bachelors in business in August and I have came to the conclusion that the UCF college of business is a joke and is just a degree mill..its sad that everyone can easily get accepted into the CBA and graduate with just a little bit of effort. Pretty much if you want to transfer from VCC or SCC all you need is a 2.5 and UCF CBA will take you..the standards are soo low that students without any passion for business are getting degrees just becuase it is soo easy. UCF takes everyone that wants to go here and study business and they really need to start being more selective and kicking kids out that are studying business with no real interest or passion in it who just fly through with a 2.5..it dilutes all are degrees and lowers the value!

  19. This is ridiculous…Anyone that has got through school and has been successful realizes that in life and especially college it is all about who you know and not what you know. I feel that if you are connected enough within the college of business to attain resources to help you to succeed on an exam that all power to you. If you do not know where to get thees resources from then you are not connected enough and must network a little better outside your circle. This teaches students the number 1 and most important life skill of networking amongst their peers. much more important than anything you will ever learn in a college of business class at UCF. I feel that if students are successful at being able to obtain study aid then they should be allowed to use it no matter the circumstances. Who you know a=is really what it comes down to in being successful in business not how well you can memorize useful facts and definitions for an exam.

  20. I cannot believe some of the ignorant comments on this board defending the students!! Seriously?? I have had Professor Quinn for several of my business classes, and he is a wonderful Professor whose main concern is with his students learning the material and future success. He encourages his students to thoroughly read the material and to ask questions. He may have long lectures, but they are full of useful information and examples of real world experiences that he relates to the subject. You can not seriously be defending the “cheating” students, who did not have the decency to spend the time studying the material for their own exam, but they would rather cheat and take the easy way out. Cheating is not acceptable anywhere and certainly not in the workplace; they would be fired! I am glad that Professor Quinn saw a “red flag” and looked into the exam results and found out what he did, because those 200 studetns that cheated, do not deserve to be in that class let alone the University. That is one of the last classes needed to graduate, and 200 students cheated on their “MIDTERM” exam! What makes you think they won’t cheat in the real world? Would you want one of these students working for your company? I would hope not! This is just incredible that that many students would cheat in a class. I feel sorry for the “trustworthy” students that did well on the exam, who now are forced to re-take a second Midterm because of the wrongdoing of the “cheating” students. The University is being very generous with their offer to allow those students to take a second midterm rather than give them the “F” they deserve. I hope this sends a message out to every student who considers cheating on an exam or anything else in life. Cheating is never acceptable, whether in school or in the workplace, and those who do, are cowards who don’t want to work hard, and “those people will get what they deserve!”

  21. All students and professors are tainted by this it devalues your education and degree if people can increase there grades rather than work hard for them.Go to school work hard and get the grades you deserve.

  22. For those of you who think it is the students fault, you need to get off your high horse. To think that other teachers don’t use test banks from text books to write their exams, requires a level of ignorance I can’t comprehend. There are teachers who tell you right off the bat, “My test comes directly out of the practice test from the book.” If the teacher didn’t want anyone to know the questions on the exam ahead of time, then he wouldn’t have copied the questions out of the book.

  23. he didn’t say that he was going to use the test bank

    so how would the students know he was going to use it?

    it can’t be cheating if the students were not aware that he would be using the test bank and used whatever test banks were available online to help them study.

  24. Come on everyone. Cheating sends a signal of ethical issues. Do you want a UCF grad to be running a next Enron ? Stop blaming the professor it really is a case of someone knew the questions and passed them on. If you don’t believe that…get real

  25. This is the professors fault. Its not like some students hacked into his computer and stole it, and it was being resold or something, he used online questions as his source. You can’t expect students not to use the internet.

    I had a professor make the mistake of reusing a question. When I was investigating similar problems for ideas on how to approach it (the real world way of solving all problems), I came upon the same exact question he asked with ease from a previous semester, and I sat there looking at it, deciding whether or not I should use it as a reference. I figured if I didn’t, I’d be at a disadvantage, since it was easy to find and I was sure most of the class did. The professor caught all of us, failed us on that individual assignment, but also took the blame. He knew we all looked online and had the internet, and it was a difficult project so he knew we’d be looking at other resources, and he left the exact solution easy to find. He admitted fault and learned from the experience, and had a reasonable punishment for those who did “cheat” without punishing the rest of the class, although he said he understood why we did it. This professor needs to understand why, and take some blame as well. You can punish the cheaters, but apologize for your wrongdoing.

  26. Please keep up with this. Continue pressing him to find how exactly the students got a hold of the test bank. Professor Quinn is an idiot who was lazy and used the publishers test bank. Sorry professor, if your students simply googled the textbook and found the test bank, then that is your fault.

  27. I’m not sure if it’s in this video, or the interviews he’s been doing, but he stats that “he knows which students cheated etc.” If this is accurate, than why have the entire class retake the test? This kinda of “scandal” puts an embarrassment on UCF, the lack of integrity and respect they have for their students…I mean, UCF did hire this guy and all the other professors. His tirade represents all of us and now national news etc. is seeing this guy. He’s is an example on how UCF doesn’t have our best interests at heart

  28. He’s pissed because he and the other instructors had to actually do some work and create something that was not spoon fed to them by a publisher (Slides, Lecture points, Test questions). What a joke.

  29. So he is pissed because his students memorized the test bank? Did any of them have note cards with answers on them or did they memorize them at home then come to the testing center and take it?

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